Walkaround F-104 Starfighter (Eskishehir, Turkey)

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ïî÷åìó äåëàòåëü âäîâ (êîíâåéåðîì óáèéöåé)?
Òàê åãî ïðîçâàëè çà ÷ðåçìåðíóþ ñòðîãîñòü óïðàâëåíèÿ, ñëèøêîì âûñîêóþ äëÿ îáû÷íûõ ñòðîåâûõ ëåò÷èêîâ. Âûñî÷àéøàÿ àâàðèéíîñòü ñ ëåòàëüíûì äëÿ ëåò÷èêà èñõîäîì â ïðîöåññå ýêñïëóàòàöèè ýòèõ ìàøèí è ïîñëóæèëà ïðè÷èíîé âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ òàêèõ âîò íåëåñòíûõ ïðîçâèù. Äëÿ ïðèìåðà - äàæå êàòàïóëüòíîå êðåñëî íà ýòîì ñàìîëåòå çà÷àñòóþ ÿâëÿëîñü íå ñðåäñòâîì ñïàñåíèÿ, à ãàðàíòèåé ñìåðòè - êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèå ïðîèñõîäèëî âíèç è äëÿ ðàñêðûòèÿ ïàðàøþòà ìîãëî ýëåìåíòàðíî íå õâàòèòü âûñîòû, òî åñòü ëåò÷èêà ïðîñòî âïå÷àòûâàëî â çåìëþ (íà ìîäèôèêàöèè G åãî ñìåíèëî êðåñëî ñ íàïðàâëåíèåì êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèÿ ââåðõ, íî è ó íåãî áûëè íåäîñòàòàòî÷íûå âûñîòíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè - ìèíèìóì 200 ìåòðîâ). Ïîäðîáíåå ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü òóò:
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f104.html
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f104g.html

ïî÷åìó äåëàòåëü âäîâ (êîíâåéåðîì óáèéöåé)?
Òàê åãî ïðîçâàëè çà ÷ðåçìåðíóþ ñòðîãîñòü óïðàâëåíèÿ, ñëèøêîì âûñîêóþ äëÿ îáû÷íûõ ñòðîåâûõ ëåò÷èêîâ. Âûñî÷àéøàÿ àâàðèéíîñòü ñ ëåòàëüíûì äëÿ ëåò÷èêà èñõîäîì â ïðîöåññå ýêñïëóàòàöèè ýòèõ ìàøèí è ïîñëóæèëà ïðè÷èíîé âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ òàêèõ âîò íåëåñòíûõ ïðîçâèù. Äëÿ ïðèìåðà - äàæå êàòàïóëüòíîå êðåñëî íà ýòîì ñàìîëåòå çà÷àñòóþ ÿâëÿëîñü íå ñðåäñòâîì ñïàñåíèÿ, à ãàðàíòèåé ñìåðòè - êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèå ïðîèñõîäèëî âíèç è äëÿ ðàñêðûòèÿ ïàðàøþòà ìîãëî ýëåìåíòàðíî íå õâàòèòü âûñîòû, òî åñòü ëåò÷èêà ïðîñòî âïå÷àòûâàëî â çåìëþ (íà ìîäèôèêàöèè G åãî ñìåíèëî êðåñëî ñ íàïðàâëåíèåì êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèÿ ââåðõ, íî è ó íåãî áûëè íåäîñòàòàòî÷íûå âûñîòíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè - ìèíèìóì 200 ìåòðîâ). Ïîäðîáíåå ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü òóò:
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f104.html
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f104g.html
Ìäà, æóòêî ñòàëî êàê òî, òåïåðü áóäó çíàòü 8)

ïî÷åìó äåëàòåëü âäîâ (êîíâåéåðîì óáèéöåé)?
Òàê åãî ïðîçâàëè çà ÷ðåçìåðíóþ ñòðîãîñòü óïðàâëåíèÿ, ñëèøêîì âûñîêóþ äëÿ îáû÷íûõ ñòðîåâûõ ëåò÷èêîâ. Âûñî÷àéøàÿ àâàðèéíîñòü ñ ëåòàëüíûì äëÿ ëåò÷èêà èñõîäîì â ïðîöåññå ýêñïëóàòàöèè ýòèõ ìàøèí è ïîñëóæèëà ïðè÷èíîé âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ òàêèõ âîò íåëåñòíûõ ïðîçâèù. Äëÿ ïðèìåðà - äàæå êàòàïóëüòíîå êðåñëî íà ýòîì ñàìîëåòå çà÷àñòóþ ÿâëÿëîñü íå ñðåäñòâîì ñïàñåíèÿ, à ãàðàíòèåé ñìåðòè - êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèå ïðîèñõîäèëî âíèç è äëÿ ðàñêðûòèÿ ïàðàøþòà ìîãëî ýëåìåíòàðíî íå õâàòèòü âûñîòû, òî åñòü ëåò÷èêà ïðîñòî âïå÷àòûâàëî â çåìëþ (íà ìîäèôèêàöèè G åãî ñìåíèëî êðåñëî ñ íàïðàâëåíèåì êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèÿ ââåðõ, íî è ó íåãî áûëè íåäîñòàòàòî÷íûå âûñîòíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè - ìèíèìóì 200 ìåòðîâ). Ïîäðîáíåå ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü òóò:
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f104.html
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f104g.html
Âû äåéñòâèòåëüíî âåðèòå â òî ÷òî íàïèñàëè? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops:
Íå çíàÿ ìàò÷àñòè õîòÿáû íå çàáðàñûâàéòå äåçó â ôîðóì ÷èòàòü ïðîñòî ñòûäíî.Ýòî ãäåæ âû íàðûëè ïðî êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèå âíèç ,à?
À ïî ïðîáëåìàì ýêñïëóàòàöèè, òàê Âû äàéòå ëþáóþ íîâóþ òåõíèêó è ïîëó÷èòå àíàëîãè÷íóþ êàðòèíó.Ñàìîëåò ñîçäàâàëñÿ â ýïîõó õîëîäíîé âîéíû ,ëþäåé êàê è òîïëèâî íå ñ÷èòàë,ó÷èëè âñåõ è ñ íå î÷åíü ïîäõîäÿùåé äëÿ ýòîãî òåõíèêè â òîì ÷èñëå.Ïîñàäèòå âîäèëó ñ æèãóëÿ ,íà ôîðìóëó 1, ÿ òàê ìûñëþ äàëüøå çàáîðà íå ïîåäèò.
Î÷åíü æàëü ÷òî â íàøåé ïðåññå ñòàëè ïðàâäó î àâèàöèè ïèñàòü íåäàâíî(õîòÿ òàê êàê ïèøóë ëó÷øå áû ìîë÷àëè)
Êàê ïðèìåð ,ìîé îòåö áûë êîìäèâîì â Ìèðãîðîäå êîãäà íà÷àëè ýêñïëóàòàöèþ Ñó 27,òàê ó íåãî çà ãîä 6 áîðòîâ íà ñâàëêó îòïðàâèëîñü,ïðàâäà áåç ×Æ.
À ïðîçâèùà åìó äàëè íàâåðíÿêà æóðíàëþãè,äëÿ íèõ ëþáàÿ êàòàñòðîôà ýòî ñåíñàöèÿ.


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Íå çíàÿ ìàò÷àñòè õîòÿáû íå çàáðàñûâàéòå äåçó â ôîðóì ÷èòàòü ïðîñòî ñòûäíî.Ýòî ãäåæ âû íàðûëè ïðî êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèå âíèç ,à?
Íå ÷èòàéòå. Èíôîðìàöèÿ îá ýòîì åñòü â îòêðûòûõ èñòî÷íèêàõ. Ññûëêó íà îäèí èõ íèõ ÿ óæå äàë, âîò äðóãîé: http://www.ejectionsite.com/f104seat.htm
Öèòàòà îòòóäà:
... In the early days of the XF-104 program, it was decided due to the limitations of the available ejection seat catapults, the ejection seat should fire downwards. This allowed for the best capability of clearing aircraft structure, including the vertical fin at higher speeds. It also effected the windblast on the pilot.

Later the seats were replaced with an upward firing seat, once capable catapults were available. These seats served well in USAF service, but were still not considered suitable for extreme low level ejections with high sink rates. This was a particular problem to the German Luftwaffe, which used the F-104G as a low level attack plane. They initiated programs to have the seats upgraded, and eventually decided to have the seats replaced with a seat of Martin-Baker design.

À ñâåäåíèÿ î âûñîêîé àâàðèéíîñòè è ñëîæíîñòè ñàìîëåòà óæå â ïåðèîä âîéñêîâîé ýêñïëóàòàöèè åñòü â ëþáîé êíèãå ïî F-104.

P.S. âîò åùå ñòàòüÿ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-104_Starfighter
The Starfighter was commonly called the "missile with a man in it," a name swiftly trademarked by Lockheed for marketing purposes. The term "Super Starfighter" was used by Lockheed to describe the F-104G in marketing campaigns but fell into disuse. In service, American pilots called it the "Zipper" or "Zip-104" because of its prodigious speed. The Japan Air Self-Defense Force called it Eiko ("Glory"), a less charitable name appeared, "The Flying Coffin" from the translation of the common German public name of fliegender sarg. The F-104 was also called Witwenmacher ("Widowmaker")...

Íå çíàÿ ìàò÷àñòè õîòÿáû íå çàáðàñûâàéòå äåçó â ôîðóì ÷èòàòü ïðîñòî ñòûäíî.Ýòî ãäåæ âû íàðûëè ïðî êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèå âíèç ,à?
Ïðî êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèå âíèç "íàðûòü" ìîæíî â ñòàòüå Â.Êîíäðàòüåâà "Áåñêðûëîå ÷óäî äëÿ ñàìîóáèéö" â Àâèàìàñòåðå ¹4/2001. Íà F-104G ñòîÿëî êðåñëî "Ëîêõèä" Ñ-2, êîòîðîå è îòñòðåëèâàëîñü âíèç. Íåìöû ïåðåîñíàñòèëè ñâîè ñàìîëåòû êðåñëàìè Ìàðòèí-Áåéêåð, îáåñïå÷èâàþùèìè ñïàñåíèå ïèëîòà íà âñåõ âûñîòàõ è ñêîðîñòÿõ. Ôèðìà "Ëîêõèä" çàÿâèëà ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó ïðîòåñò, íî íåìöû íàñòîÿëè íà ñâîåì - æèçíü ëåò÷èêîâ äîðîæå. Ïîñòåïåííî îò ýòèõ êðåñåë îòêàçàëèñü âñå ñòðàíû, ýêñïëóàòèðóþùèå "Ñòàðôàéòåð".

:oops: Âûíóæäåí ïðèçíàòü ïî êðåñëó ñâîé ïðîáåë ,â òîì ÷òî êàòàïóëüòèðîâàíèå ïðîèñõîäèëî âíèç.Ïðèíîøó ñâîè èçâåíåíèÿ :oops:
Íî â îïðàâäàíèå ñêàæó ñëåäóþùåå,áûëî ýòî íà ïåðâîé ìîäèôèêàöèè,âûïóñê ïî êîëè÷åñòâó êîòîðîé íå ïîâëèÿë íà ðåïóòàöèþ 104.È âîò åùå îäíî 104 ýêñïëóàòèðîâàëñÿ ðàçíûìè ñòðàíàìè è â ðàçíûõ ñòðàíàõ ïðîöåíò êàòîñòðîô ðàçíûé,è ýòî íàòàëêèïàåò íà ìûñëè î òîì ÷òî ïðè ðàçíîé ýêñïëóàòàöèè ðàçíûå ïîñëåäñòâèÿ.